just to get in the thread..and hopefully the bots come my way... Its all good :) I surely complained about the shape of P5...and for the most part it now works...never wished for CLs demise, but just that they get their act together. DS will be a great addition, hopefully and I really need to dig into that material room...I've dabbled, but it is full of great stuff, isn't it ? I think we owe it to ourselves and to the developers of the products we use to discuss the issues and push on the developers to fix problems...it will only result in better products and healthier companies...unless they can't take the pressure...or don't listen

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