I just found this thread and am wondering if the so called improvements made to the web ring had anything to do with Lady C being accused of wrong doing. "We have updated the Renderosity Web Ring Terms of Service (linked below), as well as changed the process for joining the Web Ring. The updated TOS more closely reflects the general site TOS, and stresses that non-art sites will not be accepted. Now, when a member submits their link, it will go into a pending state until the legitimacy of the linked site can be verified. The link is accepted or rejected based on compliance with the updated Web Ring TOS, and an automatic ebot email goes out to the member in either case. We are also going through the Web Ring to clean up non-art sites and dead end links. Lastly, we now have a script that will automatically run through the Web Ring on a regular basis and remove dead links (the link is given two chances to work in case the site is having problems the first time). We believe that all of these updates will improve the Web Ring's usefulness and legitimacy for our members. If you have questions or concerns please ask away. thanks, --Asher " Seems to me that while monkeying with the web ring settings maybe that is how &*$%# Asher got his stats to persecute Lady C