You can use the box method in Rhino, but you need to know the program a bit better than 'learner' to do it. It involves adding extra thingsa that Phil's tutorial doesn't cover. Contour isn't just for tight fitting clothes. I make practically all my clothing with the contour feature. It's simply a matter of how you adjust your contoured curves before you loft. It's the pre work that counts :) Willowjune, if you get a lumpy loft, try using not as many contoured curves (type in 0.3 instead of 1 when contouring) or play with the smooth command after loft. Also, you can turn points on (pton) on your curves before you loft and edit them to your heart's content.