look for a thread about a day back called 'merry xmas, y'all'..I've posted several links in an html file, just rename and go. There's also links to grouper in the modelling forum under the same thread name. (plus a lot of othter modelling and painting progs)...shameless plug ends here..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)