I really appreciate all your help dialyn and I promise to leave yo alone soon. you talk about frames. how do you manipulate frames. I know that when I start a new simulation the default is for 30 frames. When i clothyfied the item and set the collision the result was that it would fall either to the floor or through the floor. So I started to set my fram to 1 to 1 not 1 to 30. does this make a difference? also I am leaving the cloth item behind the figure. I am assuming the the cloth will flow tward the figure and drap it. I have noticed that when the cloth moves it moves down and not to the side or front to back. should I move the cloth item above the fig? you are going to hate me by the end of this. I thank you again and am going to go and download all the tuts you mentioned. It just occured to me that everything i just asked will mostlikely be covvered in the tuts. I am just frustrated I hope you and everyone who reads this understands.