Aye, I don't think you were TOO obnoxious about it! Truth is, I sucked too when I first started. You can still see my earlier stuff under the screen name darkelf420. We all made garbage when we first started doing 3D imagery... This forum has been my greatest tool for learning, make sure and ask lots of questions! You get out of it what you put into it. A ten-minute setup and a five minute render will always look like just that...