the randomiser, you said it.. its use so often, it is being relogated to a menu item smirk Some other bit of information I have not yet released. I have spoken with both Eric, and Edward at U&I software, and here is what they said... essentially.. Edward 1st notes... He says that if there had not been legal issues, U & Q would have worked on furthering Bryce from the personal version that Eric Wenger has, which is somewhat different to versions 3 4 and 5. He also mentions that Eovia tried to buy Bryce once but failed. one interesting quote from edward, and something which was repeated a few times was this quote: "If you have the resources to acquire Bryce from Corel and to manufacture it and support it, please let me know as there would be some possibilities to discuss" I am in the early stages of this such discussion. No, I am not going to spill the details yet.. but I will let you all know what happens definitely. In a second one of my other emails from Edward, he talks about Eric possibly someday ending the Bryce licensing for good, and taking it back and perhaps furthering it himself. He also restates the costs involved if I wanted to buy Bryce, and he again says if I am resourceful, that there would be some serious discussing to do. Eric Wenger tells me that he once was keen to work on Bryce if it was to die. However its the general feeling that he is not so sure any more... as he has technologies and software, which you will all see soon, that he wants to work with. Not a bryce though. Also, mentioned throughout our conversations, is tha fact that they doubt Corel will sell bryce at all. Which is why I am working on my project currently. If you can't beat them, join them. If they won't sell, then give them a reason to bring it back to life. Hope this fills in some of the gaps. Regards Scott