I would like to add that a little elbow grease is necessary to develop the talent you have (and I believe that everyone is born with SOME talent) until it begins to show in your work. You have to take the time to USE your tools so that your SKILLS can develop. Unfortunately, that means you'll be generating a lot of work that is average or even below average until you get those skills working for you. But NEVER throw anything away. As your skills develop, you can go back and improve images that weren't quite there before. It can be possible that a person was born with a lot of innate talent, but never used it enough to become skilled. (My brother is like this, he would occassionally sketch or paint little pieces through the years that showed a real talent, but he never kept at it until he gained skills, and does not create art at all anymore.) If you are one of the Brycers who claim to have no talent, that you can't even draw, here's some free advice. "Pick up a pencil and a piece of paper while your Bryce images are rendering, and learn to draw!" I truly believe that no one ever got worse at drawing by practicing. :^) John And now that I've given this advice, I'll try to follow it and draw a bit more, myself, LOL.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy