I've been playing with the demo for a week now and I'm ready to buy. I know how you feel, Steve, this is a fun program. I love the realistic looking vegetation and it's seems so much easier to use than Bryce. I've never been able to turn out anything really decent with Bryce and I've done OK with Vue. I'll be anxiously waiting for the postman :-) Thanks for the bit about terrains, bloodsong, I have a problem with mine all looking like they're at the front too. Claire