I think I fall into one of dialyn's categories - the technical/artistic one. When I first found poser (poser 2 free with a mag), I just used to play in it. I didn't use it for a long time but then I bought P4 with the idea of being more creative. Again, I played around, but didn't do much. I'm a fashion photographer, so I suppose I don't feel any desparate need to be artistic in poser. But, as I slowly learned more, I became fascinated by the technical side. (I was always into html and css). I know we all take poser hacks like MAT files for granted, but have you ever stopped to think that Poser is one of the few softwares in existence that is actually hackable? It's absolutely unique from that point of view. So now, I mainly use poser to test the models I build. The only renders I ever do are test renders. For me, Poser has now become the final stage in a building process. But even that's (mildly) creative, since I'm now getting into designing and building original furniture and other objects. I was always interested in design anyway, so poser gives me an outlet for that. It's a versatile program, so everyone will use it in their own way. mac