Yes, I'm talking about the same scale option. The one in the dialog boxes. I always use that. But in prefs, mine is set to the default (50). I only use it to get a scaled map in the vertical horizontal sense, ie. one that's proportional. Of course, it's always tiny, but I just size it bigger using shift-+. I have to admit, I've never understood uvm's bizarre template sizes and the way it makes maps. A curtain figure I just mapped (more or less square in shape) has a template of 1024 x 83. Weird... I just ignore it's sizes and do it my own way. It always comes out pretty good. mac