Very well said zai. To the original question: 1. Poser, if one were to count the total number of renders made and how many of them are meant for comercial use (i.e. they atually make you MONEY) I would say it's 99.5% non-commercial. But if there are let's say 200 000 people out there in total using Poser, that still makes for quite a few using it comercially. By commercial I DON'T mean some renders for your own website - I mean someone actually pays you for the render, whatever form it is published in. I've made an infinite number of renders in the last 6 years. And made money out of 3. Two in print and one on a cd-rom. I never expeced to make a cent out of any of it, ever - so I'm very pleased! 2. There is absolutely NO connection between the medium used and the ability to create something demonstrating artistic ability. If you have that ability, you can use it with any medium : a paintbrush, a camera, mud, software, hair, flowers, a block of marble, video - anything. Different mediums suit different people. So anyone who has a 'thing' about Poser being too simple is missing the whole point. Being able to render something that looks 'fine' in Poser is NO indication that one possesses artistic ability. The way an image 'expresses something' is what demonstrates that. And the way it is put together - composition in other words. It has nothing at all to do with one's knowledge of the inner workings of the render engine or the modeling app you master (if any). I can't model or make textures. So what? Those that can - fine. That's their medium,. Mine is another entirely. :] Fish