"I'm still sad about the P4 thing myself. I'm even sadder about how much time we sank into trying to get around it without getting a result." That means I won't have to wait as long for the next one, right? I grabbed and loved the last one and I've been antsy waiting for the next two (to the point of almost buying the Lightwave versions and converting 'em myself -- how dumb is that?). Good news, for the most part; I'll be watching for 'em at PoserPros. In the meantime... hurry up. ;-)