the only advantage of doing things the hard way is appreciating the easy way when it comes along..I started with Amapi 4.15, and by the time I got to Wings, I could fly (couldn't model, but could fly just fine..;) btw, I tried a negative torus in Wings, but it got flakey on me..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)