nontroppo, Mountainmaster was correct - 'cameras under the doc window' means the menu just below the document window which lists all body parts, lights and cameras in a scene. pookah, I've never seen a light that didn't have a shadow cam. The names may get mixed up if you add/delete/change lights, but nevertheless, every light should have a shandow cam or it wouldn't be able to cast a shadow. This is the important thing to realise with lights. The shadow doesn't actually come from the light, but from the shadow camera. Or at least, the calculation of what the shadow will look like comes from the shadow cam. mac