thanks everyone for the WONDERFUL comments, can feel my head swelling! lol amethyss and catlin, kewl idea, will have to give it a try when i get time, or you guys can...lol ricky, yea, that mat looks good on rounded things, but kinda odd on flat stuff that up close..lol it's actually a variation of the walnut preset that comes with bryce... danamo, lol i'm slowly learning...still can't do anything as complex as you guys can tho...lol Quest, blushes thanks it was fun to do Shadow, LOL if I knew how, i prolly woulda...lol I just can't figure it out...maybe one of these days, i'll read a how-to on how to do it, for now, am kinda exploring it to see if i can figure it out...lol LOL if i stopped playing around with all these kewl modeling toys, I might actually get that image done i been working on...LOLOL I'm actually trying to get a picture made, that shows the table in a scene, rather then just in neutral background...and for some reason, i feel odd, (cause am selling the table) putting other's free stuff in that picture..so am making all new stuff to go in it.. lol is kinda fun...grins Jen