No Catlin I never was subjected to it and nor do I believe that most here were. I was not defending his actions. I am pointing out that the 'actions' I see in this thread aren't much better. Whether he made the hot 20 has nothing to do with violating the tos yet that seems to be a bigger sore point to you than the other (and to many others I might point out). He got the consequence that he deserved so why don't you let it drop instead of beating a dead horse? ;) It's always so easy to talk behind people's backs when they aren't around to defend themselves. I personally don't think he's any worse than many others I see on these sites as a human being. He reacted badly and got punished, why not just let it drop now? Anita