I don't think pirates killed CL. One, it ain't dead yet. A buyout isn't death. Happens all the time in the business world. The article, near as I can, sounds optimistic about the future of Poser. Two, every software company has to deal with pirates, from Microsoft down to the merchants selling here at Rosity. It's part of the "business climate." Farmers have to deal with weather, truckers have to deal with gas prices, software makers have to deal with pirates. I'm not defending piracy, mind, I'm just saying that all the other software companies that haven't gone bankrupt are just as pirated as CL, if not more, so I don't see how you can lay the blame there. I wonder if this is why their web site was down for so long? I couldn't get in for days.