I think Curious Labs killed Curious Labs, with their disasterous release of Poser 5, the EULA controversy, their split with their biggest content supplier, and the way they pissed off most of the Poser-using community. I use Poser 4, and I use it specifically because I didn't want to upgrade to Poser 5 (I did look into it, but I decided against it for many, MANY reasons). I think blaming software pirates for Curious Labs' poor business choices and crappy public relations is a bit too simplistic. No doubt there is SOME blame to be placed there, but "pirates" didn't release a buggy, unstable code. bonni

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