Appologies - I didn't intend to turn this post into a piracy debate. You may be right - CL may well have signed their own death warrant by releasing buggy software. And, there is no argument about the nonexistent after sales. My main concern is that when a company gets taken over, the software can often end up worse than it was to begin with (if that is possible in Poser's case). Only time will tell and I pray that Poser 6 & 7 & 8 will come along in due time. Tony