its weird though when it comes to rendering......DinaV has 110,000+ facets and V3 75,000+ but with just the bare figures loaded and nothing more, DinaV renders a lot faster than V3 in P5 SR3! hmm....id like to think thats not possible but it is!! wonder why? can anyone explain this? try it...load a bare DinaV base and render....do the same for a bare V3 base. both figures have hi-res textures loaded.... my specs 1 Gig Celeron 512 MB 32 MB VRAM Win 98 SE dont laugh.....this computer can actually run P5 and do renders!! ;)