no offense, but i never liked CL very much and ive always wondered where poser would be today if metacreations would have held on to it. It probably wouldn't be around at all, as MetaCreations is no longer, and their software was dispersed and picked up by other companies. The team that was responsible for Poser at MetaCreations is the same team that banded together and formed CL. I do have to applaud their efforts for trying to keep the program alive - they were VERY dedicated to that program. Looking back, I think the folks at CL had good intentions ... they tried to please everyone by making Poser 5 the proverbial "everything but the kitchen sink." But by doing so, they created more problems and the software suffered as a result. I hope this is good news for CL, and sincerely wish them the best.