As far as what e-frontier bought.. well I doubt they bought poser... for the code.. they wanted the user base. Coming from a programming background.. it make's no sense to even try to take poser from 5 to 6 using the same code base. It's buggy and it's old code.. I really don't think you can salvage anything. What would make sense is to take their shade package.. and give it the ability to read and save pz3 files; and to pose characters. then offer this new package to existing p5 users as an upgrade.. Well atleast that's what i hope they do.. because if they think they can touch the orginal 8 year old code and add to it.. forget.. it's probabbly spagetti code at the moment. So many hands have touched it. that it would have to be re-written. Nick Nick