I'm not sure about the rendering time issue. Maybe it has something to do with the Vicki 3 .cr2 file, which I think is more complex than Dina's. The lack of free and commercial products is a problem, yes. Basically people go for what's most popular, so they make stuff for Vicki. I am only one guy. I can't do it all myself. I have released free morphs on my site to tone down Dina's top-heavy look. Katia is another of Handspan's great characters, yes. There are more Dinas out there than people realize, and I think other vendors could do well making stuff for her. Dina does have her fans, and they would like more stuff! After all this time, though, I'm sorry but I don't buy the arugument that it has to be an either/or question. Now we have a flood of new cartoonish characters who are not Vicki, and I haven't heard any gripes about lack of free stuff, clothing, textures, etc. for them. People buy them in addition to Vicki, so why not Dina or Natalia, too? Some of these cartoon girls are outright scary, too, in terms of looks. Dina, by the way, has MODELED genitals. This is not the same thing as a morph. A morph just moves around existing polygons. It can't create what isn't there. I just see newbies confuse these things sometimes so I wanted to clarify that. Anyway, if there's one thing I've learned it's that you can't please everybody, and that's okay. So feel free to hate Dina if you like. Totally cool with me.