Thanx, uv-mappers a good idea , just need something to filter out bad syntax (or new syntax: Copyright Holder ?) and rewrite a standard obj file.. I can work on her in MAX, ok, i can compose ok... its just when I goto MTMirror, that i find out shes not as symmetric as she should be, try for yourself, when you zoom in like i have in the FRONT view, is the central line of her head ... central ? ... if so, it may be an interesting side effect of uvmapper that its rounding down the errors or something.. maybe. Barrie