how could anyone forget Carrara? Carrara works great with Poser 5.....i got Carrara 2.1 and it has a selection of render engines you can use.....it can do caustics too....Poser 5 cant.....and its pretty cheap to at $300......the render engines are faster than Poser 5 using the same figures..... but the shader nodes are a lot lot more complex than Poser 5....Poser 5 material room is like a micky mouse version of Carrrara.....you have to study this shader tree to figure out how to set maps......but the quality of the pic renders are definitely more natural than Poser 5...... you have to export your Poser scenes as individual OBJ files after posing them in Poser.....then you set up the maps in Carrara and render.....