hey just an update... i am still having some instability with firefly once in a while. i tried to render freak with mike and firefly can't handle it. however freak alone is ok and mike alone is ok. also the same freak and mike pic can be rendered in p4 mode. I tried all the usual stuff of changeing the bucket but still strange things happen (ex.the firefly render just stops mid render or memory usage jumps to 1gig and 1.5gig vram with cpu at 100% and stays there.) but in general the interface responce is now fine and simple sets are rendering fine (1 char 1 or 2 props) ps thanks for all of your help....