she still is. and i really like sarah 1.2 by momcat, over in the renderotica freestuff. you know, actually, now that i see the source, yeah, it seems pretty precise. you take away the skin texture on her, and i can definitely see the things i try to change about the eyes and nose there. they're not neutral, they're just very here. dcort- don't worry much about what people say about her, she's a great model. but if you wanted to push her sales a touch more, you might change her face to be a bit more neutral and (this is the biggie) package her with a really kick-ass photoreal texture. i think a lot of what people have a problem with is actually only skin deep. i mean, look at the pics of LaRoo out of the box, untextured. really creepy, in my opinion. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1548131 (look near the bototm of the thread at caly's "toon girl line-up") and people drool all over her.