Nope, that's not Mike 3 :P I've got to much invested in V2 & V3 to upgrade to V3 & M3, the Freak was tempting though, maybe in a year or so after the price goes down :D Yes, the comment about the eyes is probably right, I couldn't get that left eye to look just right in that render, I only just got the C1 Real eyes, still have to learn how to use them. As for the textures on the beard and hair thos are the standart ones that come with the products. I especialy enjoy using the beard, such a versitale model :) Rhanks for the input. Cheers, Axe.