P4 Jeans or Slacks have to be used for the leather pants. It's the texture which makes them look like leather. I've made two leather textures. One for each conforming clothing, if I remember rightly. I believe also that Traveler made a morph to smooth the pockets away on the Jeans figure. There is a conforming pair of riding chaps from Right Side of the Brain (you can find his site by visiting PFO and checking member updates. He's changed the location of his site frequently but he says this one is permanent because he owns his own .com now.) He has restrictions though on the use of this model, as in he doesn't want his stuff used for Lewd pictures. I use his model on occassion so have to abide by that, wish that I didn't have to, restricting the type of pictures that can be produced using a model isn't in my opinion a good idea. This is why I'm hoping someone else will make a conforming pair of riding chaps with or without jeans with no restrictions on usage. I'm unclear on your Motley comment, does that mean you like them? I'm an 80's metal child and always will be.