FWT, I'm still with C2 but you know how that goes I'm almost always the last to upgrade. Well as I recall you were always pretty good with lights, shadows and such. Since you mentioned Bryce you might want to check out my Bryce freebe a utility to turn tif files to pgm terrains. Anyrate good running into you. Hope to see you post more on Carrara forum. I'm sure you will be an asset here as you were on Bryce forum. cheers, - TJ