thans for the kind words SDL, much appreciated. heh, at the end of the day, I'm just trying to keep the one application that we love so much alive. Look around at the forums, Bryce is the most popular. Look at 3d commnue, 30,000 images or more in there, way more than any other of the 3d apps. I'm sure we will get the interface to the point where almost everyone is happy, even rochr. But remember that this has to be marketed to a lot of different groups, children, mid-market (you guys) and the high end guys (also some of you guys). Scott