AS said - "of course with more organic objects, this is very hard, or impossible to pull off. I have sometimes duplicated the mesh, and then increased that duplicate slightly, and that would be my "shellac" layer, but it doesn't always have pleasing results" Now that would be great, to have more control over the sizing of objects. If Bryce could be more precise it would open up a lot of possibilities that are difficult a best to achieve right now. Catlin BTW AS, I sent you a couple of IM's, did you get them? It's just that I didn't receive a response that you'd got them. 8)