undisclosed - Thank you so much for your encouraging words :) Nick is doing such an outstanding job, and you would not believe how much there is to learn - Whew, gives me an ice-cream-headache just trying to keep up with all the new and exciting features that Rosity is coming up with each day, and I have been doing this for awhile :) I know that Nick really appreciates everyone working with him in his quest to make the fractal Forum the "bestest" Forum on Renderosity :) ladynimue