Yeah, academic versions don't come with manuals, that's just the norm. And, yeah, the best Bryce "manual" is "Realworld Bryce 4" by Susan A Kitchens! The few version 5 areas that arent covered in that book, you can easily learn from the CD's pdf or from here at the forum. Amazon will carry inexpensive copies of this book, I got my latest copy from there, worked perfect for me; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/0201354381/all/ref=dp_bb_a/103-9948150-0037407 They have used and new starting at around $18 right now. AgentSmith

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