hehehe, its easy to get sidetracked. We have actually spent some time looking at other landscape applications, and some of them offer some nice features that we will be bringing to Bryce. One such feature is from Mojo World, where water plans and objects with water materials can be told to have small waves near and at the point of intersection where water touched land, or any other object. ie: a cylinder (pole) sits in a water plane, the water plan will intelligently place ripples around the pole. We are still deciding wether this will be accomplished by texture maps, or, more dynamically using new displacement maps. If it ends up being displacement maps, then it means that the good news is that displacement maps will also be available for all other main objects, including terrains. Scott