I'm not whining Steve, I'm asking and wondering. When you didn't include the pose that draws the sword back, did I say a word? When you offered it at your site as a free download did I come into the thread and say "that's nice but it should have been offered in the pack to begin with?" No, I didn't. If you want whining, I can give you whining. I can give you critiques and even more probing questions on the new products. But I won't. The products are beautiful, you all did a very nice job. But, I reserve the right to ask, comment and even question before I plunk down my hard earned money, without fear of being called a whiner from one of it's creators. You're at DAZ now, you are going to need a thicker skin. Pendarian