Gray cat, yes, that's what I'm looking for, as long as the rest of Vickie has not also scaled down. Also, I want to slenderize her fingers, but that can be done by taper, etc., if the scale is correct. However, I am a real rewbie, so your "I'ts MOR pose" needs translation for me. Are you saying it's a morph dial somewhere on Vickie that I haven't been able to find, it's a pose that came with her, or that I can obtain this MOR pose somewhere? Please explain. Thanks, ::::: Opera :::: P.S. I am looking into Phil's ideas as soon as I can get back to it.