What do we have to do to prove our integrity? I don't know, Sam. Honest, I don't. But when I see a long-time, well-established merchant guilty of having ripped off from two other long-time, well-established sources, on the heels of so many smaller, similar accusations directed at others not quite so established, I seriously begin to wonder about the integrity of the whole place. I don't think it's an issue of testers not catching this stuff, because there's so damn much to wade through these days, with a lot of it looking real similar in the first place. But right now, this last catfight made everything suspect, even from vendors whose work I know and very deeply love. >> this marketplace of Poser content (third party characters, props, textures, etc) sustains the Poser user base and is the primary reason why the program still exists And here, respectfully, I must disagree. It wasnt the vendors keeping this program alive. It was the users. The vendors supported the users, no doubt, by feeding that need for the latest and shiniest... but it was the users who kept the whole thing -- program, fora, and markets -- afloat. >> In fact, I'd say this marketplace is more robust than its software engine Of course it is. But Poser is like CAD: a tool and nothing more. It's not a modelling program and never has been (unless, like Geep, you know how to draw the damndest things out of it), so everything has to be brought into it to make it "creative". DAZ Studio, whenever it comes out, will probably have the same restriction slapped on it because it just takes too much power to have this kind of detailed human figure software attached to a high-end modelling program. I mean, this is no surprise, and it shouldn't be seen as something against Poser; it's just the way it is, period. I dunno. The thread has probably run its course anyway.