hey veritas, I do have v2p4 and m2p4, iw as just saying that render-wise, I prefer posette over any fancier models, specially now that, as you say, you can make posette as good, if not better, than many rendered vickies... I guess I'll follow phantast's lead and I won't overload one posette with all the morphs... that would make her as heavy as a V3 with all head and body morphs applied... well, not quite, but close enough. thanks for the input.