bwldrd WHOOHO!! i followed your advice bwldrd and it worked! I got 1.03 a while back and i had to look for it on my old backup CD-Rs......im lucky i found it! its good i didnt turn that CD-R into a coaster.....but ye, i found it and deleted my 1.1 and installed 1.03......installed 1.5 and it found "the necessary file" 1.03 isnt available for purchase at DAZ anymore.....i wonder if i didnt find it would DAZ have given me 1.5 full version for free? hmm....i just occured to me...... but anyway, thanks bwldrd (and others) for your advice! with this kind of support, who needs DAZ technical support team? also, who would need Curious Labs Support? I must've emailed CL tech support many times when I first got Poser 5 and, whew, i tell ya, they "helped" me a lot! nothing short of vague/short tech emails......most of the real and useful tech advice i got from you guys here at Renderosity forum!! i don't even bother with DAZ, CL, Eovia tech support anymore, and havent for a long time now...actually, i think they should do (just a fantasy) is slash their tech support departments, and the money they will save they can use in research and development to improve their products' features!! cause with Renderosity forum in exsitence, its like having your personal tech support team 24/7!! just a fanstasy i have...... thanks again guys!