Kalypso Yeah I always try and do different things. Bryce didn't suit me as it doesn't do vegetation, Vue is nice for landscapes, but I'm a cyberpunk nut and there aren't that many trees in the Dark Future. Yes, lots of new lighting. Have you recieved my e-mails over the past few days out of interest, my proxy servers being a right bitch, if you have them, drop me a mail please so I now it's OK.