I never bought Poser 5. I never really used Posers render engine much at all. I never likd it. Poser just seems to be really memory intensive. I just use Poser 4+Pro to create my basic poses, then I export into a real render package like Max or C4d... Once exported into something like C4d, all I have to worry about there is the mesh, and textures. DAZ Studio.. Seems to me like a cutdown for beginners. Like, uh, Milkshape Vs 3DMax...