Charlie Tuna, what about it? Rikkodon and raptorweb, etc, if you're not redistributing, you don't need to worry about this conversation. Check the subject line. CYA when making FREEBIES and stuff FOR Poser. In other words, stuff you're going to redistribute. No one has said that freebies cannot be used for their intended purpose. We've said that it cannot be used as source material for a similar item without permission and/or a developer's license, and to document your sources so if someone tries to yank the rug out from under you, you have something to stand on anyway. This conversation isn't a "you're breaking the law and going to hell if", it's a "this is how to cover your hinder while". Again, the key is redistribution. You can change as much as you want for your personal use. If you want to redistribute, you're going to need the copyright holder's permission. It's a simple legal fact. If you don't like it, I suggest you join a campaign to change the law.