tis funny to read these threads you know.. ok whats the point of DS? have a look at the 3D market at the moment. of Modellers we have loads. Max, Maya, Lightwave, trueSpace, Carrera, Blender.. the list goes on.. with most there's a renderer as well. but... for dedicated human rendering? 1. poser. thats it. Simple survival by Daz if ya ask me... right now all the eggs are in one basket. if poser goes, then the market goes. ok we can keep using poser if the company folds.. but as OS's and Hardware move on, it would get left behind more and more.. eventually not being able to run unless you keep an old system to run it on. Have a look at the Programs Graveyard to see examples of that... as for hyping DS? that made me laugh.. Daz haven't hyped it! The Community has!