Mike - don't know whether you were planning on buying him a present for Christmas of a games-making program :o) but if not.........I have 3DGameSTudio Commercial, but changed to Atmosphere some time ago. I know it's possible to transfer licenses, I've seen people talking about it on the 3DGS forum - it's just a question of informing Conitech. I've lost my broadband connection for the next week or so, but I'd happily forward 3DGS for him, and transfer the license, if you think he'd use it. It's just been wasted for the last year, so I'd rather give it to someone who'd get some getting some enjoyment from it - it's a fun program.