What Mark said. Poser doesn't suck. But it needs to keep up with the times, and it's become clear that CL isn't up to it. Maybe that will change now that it's got a new owner. But in any case, a little competition is a good thing. Poser 5 was buggy. Even with the SRs, it's still buggy...and it doesn't look like they are going to fix it. Probably the most annoying is the memory leak. With my other programs, I can run for days, even weeks under XP without rebooting. With Poser 5, I have to reboot frequently, or it will lock up. Kind of ruins the work flow, y'know?