'They're not just taking on Curious Labs, they're taking on every other established software with a render engine, pose ability and materials palette (Maya, 3DMax,lightwave, Cinema 4D just to name a few)' With one difference - they're not charging users $2000 - 3000 to do it. Everyone seems to be forgetting this basic fact. DS base will be free, not only at beta, but afterwards too. No one's ever accused DAZ of being a charity. They're in business. And when your business depends on one software that was designed 5 years ago (poser 4) and still doesn't work properly, and another (poser 5) that, when it came out, led to mass hysteria followed by mass lynchings in public fora, you might want to consider doing something about the fact that your entire future is going to be dominated by these 2 dodgy apps. DAZ is obviously doing that. And, judging by the current standards of the competition, if they don't do it, CL certainly won't. CL's CEO has already stated publicly that Poser 6 will NOT have any new features, but will concentrate SOLELY on stability. In other words, they're going to try and get poser 5 to work properly. So, good luck to DAZ, I say. mac