Ok... me and my two left hands will never compete with you talented artists.I often spend hours twirling dials, trying to recapture memories. But all too often I find that the texture I'm using outweighs the face variations, and I seem to be predominantly looking at the same person. whatever I adjust! I therefore rely on textures rather than parameters as a starting point for variation, and that's why I really am grateful to all of you talented artists who supply such beautiful free textures. Frankly. some of the ones I've paid for make me think I'm looking at a male instead of a female, whatever the expression may be! To try and illustrate my point, here's Vicki3 loaded from default without any facial adjustment whatsoever. For me anyway, the (free) Chanee texture used here, gives me a much better starting point to develop from, than I can ever observe with features alone... but maybe that's just my ignorance (and very bad eyesight). My sincere thanks to RNKarenER for this excellent free texture.