points what he said. and a really cheap upgrade price, I know it costs to program, but your gunna be competing with free here soon. I know D|S isn't ment to replace Poser but if I can use poser 5 the way it is and throw stuff in D|S and then get a plugin cheap for Lightwave, CL ain't getting my upgrade money. the survey is going to be interesting. my 2 cents.